Christ, The Church, The Eternal Purpose

Podcast #4 – As Christ Views the Bride (Season 1.04)

Welcome to our fourth podcast!  It’s been a while, but we’re glad to finally have this posted.  Hopefully there’ll be a lot more to come sooner than later!

The Players

  • R.C.
  • Bridget
  • Tobias
  • Brenda

The Topic

Tobias and I (R.C.) grew up together, having known each other since we were around five years old.  Our wives, Bridget and Brenda, once introduced, picked right up like they had know each other in eternity past; they were fast friends, and our families have been close for the past seven years.  We’ve played endless nights of Skip-Bo together, enjoyed countless meals together, walked through marital and familial issues together, and have even lived together for a while.  We have journeyed this land that is the all-inclusive Christ together, and our two familes have been built together by the grace and love of God in His Son, Jesus Christ.

In December, we were reunited back in Oklahoma and took advantage of the opportunity to sit down and chat.  We recorded a few hours worth of chatting, discussing various topics, and we’re posting a snippet of one of those conversations here.  Chances are we’ll post more, but we’re at least starting with this one.

So, our topic of discussion here is:

The identity of the Bride of Christ and how we, as believers, view and treat Her.

Again, we’ve been built together for over seven years – the past four on the foundation of Jesus Christ Himself.  In other words, we know each other.  Bridget can finish Brenda’s thought even when Brenda doesn’t.  We are comfortable talking together and sharing Christ together, and this conversation stems from that deep knowing and love for Christ and each other.

We tackle some potentially weighty material from the prostitution of the Church to meet believers’ needs to how Christ views His Bride.  We’d love to hear your thoughts in the comments section.

The Song

The opening song is “Just the Way You Are” by Bruno Mars.  The end song is a redeemed version written, and performed, by saints in one of the churches with which we are involved.  The beautiful words follow:

His eyes, His eyes, make the stars look like they’re not shining
Her heart, her heart, beats perfectly, it was worth dying
They’re so beautiful and I tell them everyday

 

We know, we know, there is a perfect love within our union
We know, it shows, we are all you need so quit your doin’
And every time you ask me, “Do I look okay?” I’ll say . . .

 

Chorus:
When I see your face, I see Christ in you today
Bride you’re amazing, just the way you are
And when He smiles, the whole world stops and stares for awhile
Christ you’re amazing, just the way you are

 

His lips, His lips, taste so sweet like milk and honey
Her laugh, her laugh, lights up the room, it always gets me
They’re so beautiful, and I tell them everyday

 

You know, you know, you know, you know
that you’ll never change
Without the life of Christ in you
you’ll just stay the same
So don’t even bother tryin
It will be in vain

 

Chorus:
When I see your face, I see Christ in you today
Bride you’re amazing, just the way you are
And when He smiles, the angels stop and stare for awhile
Christ you’re amazing, every way you are

 

When I see your face, I see Christ in you today
Bride you’re amazing, just the way you are
And when He smiles, we all stop and stare for awhile
Christ you’re amazing, just the way you are
Christ you’re amazing every way you are


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7 Comment

  1. Reply
    mark
    March 9, 2015 at 7:25 am

    A lot of manatees in this episode… :-p
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  2. Reply
    Amanda Iosa
    March 9, 2015 at 4:44 pm

    I especially love the thoughts here about adjusting our view of the Bride-hood to that of Christ’s view. I agree wholeheartedly that our notions of purpose and identy toward each other (sisters to brothers, brothers to sisters) have become deeply twisted and warped for individual gain in many ways. Yes, it is so crucial to capture Christ’s own heartbeat for us all. I loved what was said about the Bride existing to meet the Lord’s desire, which is to build her up and esteem her, and set her free. Hasten the day when that is the desire we all have toward each other!

    It concerns me though how much this “laying down our lives/desires/etc” still can sound like work, at least in the sense that it could very easily be tried by self-effort or done out of duty. It seems this could be legalized as easily as anything else, not that it’s what you all are doing or implying here. In my own walk with the Lord, I’ve found that the only truly fruitful times of “laying down” or “bearing the cross” have come effortlessly out of His love birthed in me and overflowing. Focussing on “dying to self” has yet to bring forth divine love in my own experience. When His love flows though, really flows, it all happens so smoothly, and dying happens so fast it’s almost missed for how fast and strong the new life – His life – comes! It’s truly beautiful! It’s sheer joy!

    One other thought/observation…while I totally get (and agree :)) that you all are speaking against the rampant self-centered individualism that permeates so much of the general Christian mindset, I wanted to take a moment to lift up the beauty and value of each of our individual relationships with Christ. I’m sure I experience things differently as a single person who isn’t in a corporate expression of the Lord in this current season. I don’t wish to minimize the corporate aspect at all…the Bride-hood is stunning and incredible! I guess I just see the possibility that some may hear what’s said, and not just here, about things being so much about the Bride-hood, and throw the baby out with the bath water. Default, wrong-tree human nature could very easily assume that the only purpose of our individual relationships with the Lord is for the sake of the corporate Body. Our unique relationships are also about bringing joy, delight and satisfaction to His heart, and the same to ours. The one-on-one stuff is equally as beautiful and valuable to Him, and is the source from which all that corporately nourishes, enriches, encourages, and esteems one another. All that said, I’ve gotten stuck in One-On-One Land for long periods before, and lost sight of the Bride-hood, and it’s not a healthy place to be! I don’t ever want to go back there again!

    Gosh, I love these podcasts…keep ’em coming! 🙂
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    Tobias Valdez
    March 11, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    Amanda, I appreciate your thoughts and wanted to share something that I heard a brother share regarding the individualism/community life of followers of Christ.

    He described a life in Christ, both individual and corporately, using a metaphor of a spaghetti dinner, which was great for me, because I LOVE spaghetti!!!

    We have our individual walk with the Lord, which is very important, yet that dimension of the Life of Christ was never meant to be the only dimension we experience, much like the pasta noodles in a spaghetti dinner. We could eat the pasta noodles alone, without anything else, and we could quench whatever hunger pains we may have, but we would not truly know and enjoy the fulfillment that comes from having a complete spaghetti meal with meat, sauce, peppers, onions, etc.

    In the same way, we have community Life of the Lord in the body of believers, which is also very important, yet that dimension of the Life of Christ was never meant to be the only dimension we experience, much like the meat, sauce, onions, peppers, etc., in a spaghetti dinner. We could eat the meat, sauce, onions, peppers, etc., without the pasta, and we could quench whatever hunger pains we may have, but we would not truly know and enjoy the fulfillment that comes from having a complete spaghetti meal with pasta included.

    However, when you take the individual walk with the Lord, and out of the outflow of that Life, the individual comes together with the community of believers together, and each one expresses the portion of the Life of Christ that He has placed within each of us, then it is like (truly it is even better than) having both the pasta noodles, together with the meat, sauce, onions, peppers, and top it all all off with a boat load of parmesan cheese (because I like boat loads of cheese with my spaghetti dinners!) It’s a whole lot of fulfillment. Christ has His fulfillment in expressing Himself in and through His Body, both corporately and individually, He is revealed and glorified!

    It’s a simple metaphor, but I’ve never forgotten it and use it often. Probably more often than I eat spaghetti. 😉

    1. Reply
      Amanda Iosa
      March 11, 2015 at 7:43 pm

      Hi Tobias,

      That’s a fantastic metaphor! And, how else can a spaghetti dinner be enjoyed without boat loads of Parmesan cheese!? 🙂 More than anything, I guess my points were about how as humans, we tend to go to the extreme in either direction. It’s either all about us as individuals, and then the pendulum can swing as a reaction and it becomes all about the corporate. But, so true, the “dinner” which is Christ and Him expressing Himself in various ways, sure isn’t complete without one or the other. I wish I had more sauce, etc with my pasta right now. He’s kind to throw me a splash of sauce and a pepper now and then while I wait it out. Thanks so much for your reply!

  4. Reply
    Joshua Lawson
    March 15, 2015 at 4:30 pm

    As I listened to the song at the end I couldn’t help but smile. Beautiful!
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    Carla
    June 15, 2016 at 1:50 pm

    What a powerful testimony about the cross and Christ. Thank you so much for sharing. And what a joy to hear the song at the end again. It’s been awhile.

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