Church Life, The Church

Podcast #3 – What Is Organic Church? Part 2 (Season 1.03)

Here it is: The Deuce Part Deux!

The Players

  • Bridget
  • Thomas
  • R.C.
  • Wesley

The Question

 

This is a continuation of the conversation we started a few weeks ago.  If you haven’t yet listened to it, please do so by clicking here.  In that episode, we broached the topic of what “organic church” is and/or isn’t.  Wesley ended that episode with another question:

Is This Possible Without a Worker?

Well, we tackle that potentially sticky topic here.  Please understand, this recording is an edited version of a very candid conversation among 4 friends who are brothers and a sister in Christ.  We are currently being trained to be church planters/workers.  What you hear are our own thoughts, questions, and convictions from experiencing the Lord in 4+ years of “organic” body life.

We had great dialogue in the comments on Part 1 of this topic, and we hope to have more of the same here.  Please feel free to ask any questions on anything about which you’d like a little more clarification.

The Song

The song chosen to play before and after our conversation is “All My Days” by Alexi Murdoch.  This song is a beautiful illustration of someone asking a question(s) all their days to finally find the answer.  Whether the writer intended for God to be the answer or not, that’s what I see in this song.  He found me, and now even breathing feels alright.  The lyrics are below:

Well I have been searching all of my days
All of my days
Many a road, you know
I’ve been walking on
All of my days
And I’ve been trying to find
What’s been in my mind
As the days keep turning into night

 

Well I have been quietly standing in the shade
All of my days
Watch the sky breaking on the promise that we made
All of this rain
And I’ve been trying to find
What’s been in my mind
As the days keep turning into night

 

Well many a night I found myself with no friends standing near
All of my days
I cried aloud
I shook my hands
What am I doing here
All of these days
For I look around me
And my eyes confound me
And it’s just too bright
As the days keep turning into night

 

Now I see clearly
It’s you I’m looking for
All of my days
Soon I’ll smile
I know I’ll feel this loneliness no more
All of my days
For I look around me
And it seems you’ve found me
And it’s coming into sight
As the days keep turning into night
As the days keep turning into night
And even breathing feels all right
Yes, even breathing feels all right
Now even breathing feels all right
It’s even breathing
Feels all right


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9 Comment

  1. Reply
    mark
    December 8, 2014 at 7:10 am

    Wes: “The church doesn’t exist to meet her own needs” (paraphrased). Such a good reminder.

    I’ve found a lot of people who understand that there is so much more to “church” than they have ever imagined, and they have read some books, and are longing, craving, dying for God’s Life to be expressed in a group, but they have some idea of what the new Tree looks like, but they don’t have any clue as to how to make it actually happen. This is where (the right) outside help is so valuable. The trick is getting everyone to agree that they don’t have a clue how to do it and ask for help with one mind/heart.
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      Bridget Babione
      December 9, 2014 at 6:07 am

      Agreed! We got to spend time recently with a group that all want more, but it has taken time for them to all come to the same place of seeing the need for help. Personally, I have seen through that process of all “getting on the same page” some really beautiful testimony of lives laid down, giving the Lord room to do His thing and have His way.
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    David Dickerson
    December 8, 2014 at 10:33 am

    I agree with y’all about the organic life of God being something that has to be birthed by the Lord, and not something that we can bring about even in our best efforts of “getting it right”. We can stick the “body” together, but at best we’d just have an empty shell, a dead body, and it still requires the living Breath of God to bring it to true Life. It’s important to be able to differentiate between Life and death, and it seems that that is one of the main things the Lord works in us by bringing us into union with King Jesus; We can’t be in union with him in the flesh, only in the Spirit, and we learn to exist by only His spiritual Life, and to feel the absence of that Life (the fleshly death) when given anything other. (Romans 8 comes to mind)

    A thought I had was that it seems when God wants to send his Word, He wants to encapsulate it inside a man. I think the question about whether a worker is required or not is pretty easily answered (in my mind), “No, but it’s the way He prefers to work.” Especially in this day and age (and looking back historically), where so much of His original intent and thought for His body has been lost, it seems He raises up people that He equips to bring about His intent. These people (I know a few) have been given a “vision”, a revelation of His purpose, but then are completely crushed by Him. They’ve submitted to that crushing, though, and it seems He teaches them through it all that the vision is something He desires and that He’ll bring about in His way, not through their way. Precious, precious people. I’ve learned, though, that the start of it all was these people saying, “I want to truly know You, Lord, and nothing else matters.”

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      Bridget Babione
      December 9, 2014 at 6:33 am

      Amen!!
      -when God wants to send His Word, He wants to encapsulate it inside a man.
      -these people have been given a “vision”, a revelation of His purpose, but then are completely crushed by Him.
      -the start of it all was these people saying, “I want to truly know You, Lord, and nothing else matters.”
      Yes and amen, again!!
      This year I got to witness the Lord sending His Word, encapsulated in a man, and got to see the Word bloom and grow among a group of Saints. It really is miraculous and something only the Lord can do.
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    kenneth dawson
    December 8, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    that comment by David Dickerson seems to me to hit the point!

    1. Reply
      Bridget Babione
      December 9, 2014 at 6:34 am

      Agreed, Kenneth!
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    Amanda Iosa
    December 8, 2014 at 6:25 pm

    Hi all, this installment was very rich. I would love to hear about some examples of what the Life of Christ in His local expression has looked like in your (collective) experience. As Mark said above, I have some idea of what it looks like. I spent the first six years of my journey with the Lord outside of the institutional church in a so-called “organic church,” but little of the Life was there. It was mainly just a method, and the group never even considered a need for outside help. In hindsight, the Lord has pointed back to my season with that group and shown me a lot of what NOT to do…but what can this look like fleshed out? Of course, it will be somewhat different in each community. Maybe I’ve seen more than I think I have, but I’m hungry for some examples. I’d love to hear some stories of Christ expressed.

    I agree wholeheartedly that workers are needed who can impart Christ to a new church, not just methods and helpful stuff for problem solving, etc. It’s like Paul said so many times in his writings, essentially “I preach Christ everywhere I go.”

    Also, I think a podcast (or series of them) on the Eternal Purpose would be wonderful! I love these podcasts. You all share so much Life when you conversation!
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      Bridget Babione
      December 9, 2014 at 6:50 am

      Thanks, sister! And that’s a great idea for a podcast. Such a good point about Paul. He didn’t say, “I teach people how to be the church everywhere I go.” This is something that the natural realm cannot comprehend, but when Jesus Christ is preached (and I’m not just talking about the message of salvation) spiritual life is birthed. It is in the spiritual realm and it is eternal. And it is glorious.
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    Joshua Lawson
    February 3, 2015 at 8:18 pm

    The influence of the worker on the church is vital, and for this reason I think it can be either helpful or detrimental. Like with the traditional pastor, it all depends on how the individual functions toward the saints. Does he/she truly equip, or does he/she foster an unhealthy dependence on him or herself?

    To be honest with you, early in the days of my first organic church experience it was this emphasis, or in some cases overemphasis, on the worker that became a real stumbling block for me. We felt we could do nothing of real spiritual value until our gathering was legitimized by a qualified worker. Later, when we came to see the folly of this way of thinking, we would often joke: “The first half of the church planter’s job is to convince the saints they don’t need a pastor, and the second half of his job is to convince the saints they need a church planter!”

    Hopefully you get where I’m coming from. I wish nothing but the best for you all in your training and whatever work the Lord sends you to beyond it. God knows the Body of Christ is in need of those who can reveal Christ to her in all His fullness.

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